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June 8, 2025 at 4:02 pm #43800
luckyman25
ParticipantI’ve recently become the owner of a Ransomes Motor Triple. It’s in a very tidy condition. I decided that the first thing to do is check the Mag engine runs. So with a fully charged battery the engine spins round very happily but there are no sparks from the plugs. I’m pretty sure the condenser is faulty but would like to check other options. There are two wires that are connected to the points one of which (violet in colour) eventually gets to the Cut out switch but where does the black wire end up? Any help or advice would be much appreciated. Can you still get the points and condenser for this engine?
June 9, 2025 at 10:23 am #43803sidevalve5
ParticipantHi, below is my standard advice for ignition testing for those who want to try to fix a machine themselves:
If you have not done it already, firstly I would remove the points, hone any pitting out from the contact surfaces, refit and set the gap to 0.015”, also clean all terminal connections. With the plug cap removed, hold the end of the HT lead 6mm from a clean part of the engine and see if there is a spark. If there is, you have fixed it, if not, close the gap until its 4mm away. I find holding the HT lead steady difficult, so have got an adjustable spark gap tester that was <£4, its one of the best tools in my box. An engine will start and run with a 4mm gap, but for easier starting and smoother tickover, you really need the gap to be 6mm. A good mag will achieve this. <4mm and the mag needs attention and personally I am not happy until I get it to spark at 6mm. If still there is a poor or no spark, a test with a multimeter is as follows: for LT Continuity, rotate until the contact-breaker points are open. Set the dial to 200Ω, measure the resistance with the two probes shorted together. The reading will probably be a fraction of an ohm and note it. Then measure the resistance between ground and the ‘hot’ side of the contact-breaker. Deduct the noted reading from the reading on the dial and the result should be between 0.5 & 0.7 Ω. A high reading indicates a bad connection or break in the low-tension circuit. A lower reading means there is probably a short-circuit in the contact-breaker assembly or in the armature. For HT Continuity, set the dial to 20KΩ, place the red probe on the pick-up or HT lead, the black to ground, the reading should be between 3 & 7 KΩ. If significantly higher there is probably a break in the HT winding, or a bad connection between the winding and the pick-up. If significantly lower, its unusual, but still indicates a problem. A lot of ignition troubles are due to the condenser. If the LT and HT tests are fine and you have access to a megger, the condenser should pass a 2GΩ @ 500v test. If you cannot do such a test, I would replace it with either a recently manufactured one, not NOS and certainly not second hand. As the wax paper dielectric inside them deteriorates with age and use. Or get a modern capacitor such as an EasyCap CU220 from https://brightsparkmagnetos.com/ which is my preference. In my experience they often perform better than old style condensers. Have had instances where a good mag with the existing condenser achieved a spark at 4mm, by fitting a modern capacitor the gap increased to 6mm with the subsequent easier starting and a smoother tickover. Resting a plug on the side of an engine to see if there is a spark is not a good enough test if ignition problems are suspected.
What I do now is fit a polyester film 630v 220nF/0.22uF capacitors instead of a condensor. They are about £4 for 10 on ebay. I mount them on circuit board strip.
Grahame
June 9, 2025 at 6:53 pm #43804luckyman25
ParticipantThank you very much for that detailed explanation on testing the ignition. I will report back at the weekend on how I’ve got on.
Mark
June 10, 2025 at 8:56 am #43805sidevalve5
ParticipantHi Mark,
Glad I can assist and hope the testing identifies the problem. Am unfamiliar with the machine or engine, but from the photos it looks like it has a Kettering ignition system where the ignition is run from the battery. The black wire goes from the ‘hot’ side of the points to the coil. You can test this with the multimeter and for testing would not fit the cut out wire. But again can test it’s continuity with the multimeter.
The most common problems are dirt, or corrosion on the terminals of the LT side. A breakdown of the secondary windings in the coil, or a failed condenser. All easily and cheaply fixed on a Kettering system as the only expensive part would be the coil. If that has failed, you can substitute one from another manufacturer. It’s when they have failed in a magneto it becomes more costly.
Best of luck and please get back to me if you want any further information.
Grahame
June 14, 2025 at 2:48 pm #43812luckyman25
ParticipantHi Grahame.
So after a few hours of playing about I found the issue. The HT lead from the armature to the distributor cap has what looks like an inline suppressor. It has screw threads at each end which screw into the HT lead. Well I unscrewed this gizmo and then re screwed it tight and bingo I now have a spark at both spark plugs. I’m now in the process of cleaning the carb and fuel system to hope fully start the beast tomorrow. For information the distributor manufacturer is S.E.V MARCHAL Can’t say I’ve heard of them but I think it’s French.
Mark
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